The likely dates of Jesus birth and death.
Summary: Jesus was born probably on Wednesday, January 7th, 7 BC. Jesus died probably on Friday, March 18th, 29 AD, not at Passover but at Purim celebration. (This last statement now appears to be false in terms of the feast mentioned, and will need further correction, see this new message, received on November 20th, 2001 and this confirmation of the date of Jesus' death received on 2nd January 2002.) Below is a detailed exposition of this point of view.
This question is extremely tricky. First, we will give a lengthy but possibly useful introduction, and then the opinion. Let us have a look at the facts:
Our traditional current calendar is the Gregorian calendar. But in earlier times we used the Julian calendar.The Gregorian Calendar.
The Gregorian calendar is a modified version of the Julian calendar. The only difference being the specification of leap years. The Julian calendar specifies that every year that is a multiple of 4 will be a leap year. This leads to a year that is 365.25 days long, but the current accepted value for the typical year is 365.242199 days. To correct this error in the length of the year and to bring the vernal equinox back to March 21, Pope Gregory XIII issued a papal bull declaring that Thursday October 4, 1582 would be followed by Friday October 15, 1582 (immediately skipping ten days) and that centennial years would only be a leap year if they were a multiple of 400. This shortened the year by 3 days per 400 years, giving a year of 365.2425 days.
Another recently proposed change in the leap year rule is to make years that are multiples of 4000 not a leap year, but this has never been officially accepted and this rule is not implemented in these algorithms, but does not make any difference.
The Gregorian calendar was not instituted until October 15, 1582 (or October 5, 1582 in the Julian calendar). Some countries did not accept it until much later. For example, Britain converted in 1752, The USSR in 1918 and Greece in 1923. Most European countries used the Julian calendar prior to the Gregorian. Historical dates for years before 1582, are usually given in Julian format!!!The Hebrew Calendar.
And then, there is the problem of the Hebrew calendar. The Jewish calendar is based on lunar as well as solar cycles. A month always starts on or near a new moon and has either 29 or 30 days (a lunar cycle is about 29 1/2 days). Twelve of these alternating 29-30 day months gives a year of 354 days, which is about 11 1/4 days short of a solar year.
Since a month is defined to be a lunar cycle (new moon to new moon), this 11 1/4 day difference cannot be overcome by adding days to a month as with the Gregorian calendar, so an entire month is periodically added to the year, making some years 13 months long.
For astronomical as well as ceremonial reasons, the start of a new year may be delayed until a day or two after the new moon causing years to vary in length. Leap years can be from 383 to 385 days and common years can be from 353 to 355 days. These are the months of the year and their possible lengths:COMMON YEAR LEAP YEAR 1 Tishri 30 30 30 30 30 30 2 Heshvan 29 29 30 29 29 30 variable 3 Kislev 29 30 30 29 30 30 variable 4 Tevet 29 29 29 29 29 29 5 Shevat 30 30 30 30 30 30 6 Adar I 29 29 29 30 30 30 variable 7 Adar II (=Veadar) - - - 29 29 29 optional 8 Nisan 30 30 30 30 30 30 9 Iyyar 29 29 29 29 29 29 10 Sivan 30 30 30 30 30 30 11 Tammuz 29 29 29 29 29 29 12 Av 30 30 30 30 30 30 13 Elul 29 29 29 29 29 29 Totals 353 354 355 383 384 385
Adar II (Veadar), the month added for leap years, is sometimes referred to as the 13th month, but I have chosen to assign it the number 7 to keep the months in chronological order. This may not be consistent with other numbering schemes.
Leap years occur in a fixed pattern of 19 years called the metonic cycle. The 3rd, 6th, 8th, 11th, 14th, 17th and 19th years of this cycle are leap years. The first metonic cycle starts with Jewish year 1, or 3761/60 B.C. This is believed to be the year of creation.
To construct the calendar for a year, you must first find the length of the year by determining the first day of the year (Tishri 1, or Rosh Ha-Shanah) and the first day of the following year. This selects one of the six possible month length configurations listed above.
Finding the first day of the year is the most difficult part. Finding the date and time of the new moon (or molad) is the first step. For this purpose, the lunar cycle is assumed to be 29 days 12 hours and 793 halakim. A halakim is 1/1080th of an hour or 3 1/3 seconds. (This assumed value is only about 1/2 second less than the value used by modern astronomers -- not bad for a number that was determined so long ago.) The first molad of year 1 occurred on Sunday at 11:11:20 P.M. This would actually be Monday, because the Jewish day is considered to begin at sunset.
Since sunset varies, the day is assumed to begin at 6:00 P.M. for calendar calculation purposes. So, the first molad was 5 hours 204 halakim after the start of Tishri 1, 0001 (which was Monday September 7, 3761 B.C. by the Gregorian calendar). All subsequent molads can be calculated from this starting point by adding the length of a lunar cycle.
Once the molad that starts a year is determined the actual start of the year (Tishri 1) can be determined. Tishri 1 will be the day of the molad unless it is delayed by one of the following four rules (called dehiyyot). Each rule can delay the start of the year by one day, and since rule #1 can combine with one of the other rules, it can be delayed as much as two days.
Tishri 1 must never be Sunday, Wednesday or Friday. (This is largely to prevent certain holidays from occurring on the day before or after the Sabbath.)
If the molad occurs on or after noon, Tishri 1 must be delayed.
If it is a common (not leap) year and the molad occurs on Tuesday at or after 3:11:20 A.M., Tishri 1 must be delayed.
If it is the year following a leap year and the molad occurs on Monday at or after 9:32:43 and 1/3 sec, Tishri 1 must be delayed.
The Jewish calendar has been in use for several thousand years, but in the early days there was no formula to determine the start of a month. A new month was started when the new moon was first observed.
It is not clear when the current rule based calendar replaced the observation based calendar. According to the book "Jewish Calendar Mystery Dispelled" by George Zinberg, the patriarch Hillel II published these rules in 358 A.D. But, according to The Encyclopedia Judaica, Hillel II may have only published the 19 year rule for determining the occurrence of leap years. Back to our messages.
What do the Padgett and Samuels messages tell us? 1. Fixing dates:
In "Revelation 33: The star of Bethlehem and the Three Wise Men", Jesus states:
"At the time of my birth, which was shortly after midnight of January 7, there was no star of great light ..."
So, he was born on January 7th (because the Jews counted a new day starting with the sunset) or on January 8th (after January 7th, less probable).
In “Revelation 14: Prophecies of Daniel” Jesus writes: "The puzzling "time, times and division of times," which Daniel referred to as covering 1260 days, referred to that approximate three and one-half period preceding my death and simply meant my public ministry which Daniel’s predicted time closely approximates. January, 26 A.D., to March 18th, 29 A.D., the small difference is due to the fact that my ministry did not last a full three and one-half years, but slightly less than 3 years and three months, according to your calendar.”
So he died on March 18th, 29.
In the same message he states: “I was cut off by crucifixion in A.D. 29, at the age of thirty-six.”Year Age 29 36 28 35 27 34 -- -- 2 9 1 8 no year 0 1 7 2 6 3 5 4 4 5 3 6 2 7 1
Depending on how you count the years, Jesus was born in 8 or 7 (more probably in my opinion) BC.2. Jesus birth:
Let us suppose January 7th, 7BC
If this is a Julian date, as it should be, it would be January 5th, 6BC Gregorian, or 7th of Shevat 3754 Jewish, and Wednesday. If it was the year 8 BC, the day of week would be Tuesday.
If it is a Gregorian date, we know that the Gregorian Calendar exactly repeats every 400 years. So the year 2001 is exactly equal to the year 1. the year 7 BC would be equal to the year 1994 (as 0 is missing you could express 7BC also as -6, the year 2000 is equal to the year 1 BC)
January 7th, 1994 was a Friday, and so was January 7th, 7 BC (Gregorian). If it was the year 8 BC, the day of week would be Thursday. 3. Jesus death:
We have established March 18th, 29 A.D as the correct date.
In the Julian calendar, this is a Friday (!), corresponding to March 16th, 29 AD Gregorian, and to Veadar (Adar II) 14th, 3789 Jewish.
In the Gregorian Calendar, this would be a Sunday (like March 18th, 2029).
But Bible tradition tells us that Jesus was killed on Nisan 14th, Passover. Nisan 14th of the year 29 (3789 Jewish) was on Saturday, April 14th, 29. This does not concur with the Padgett-Samuels messages.
If the date given is correct, Jesus would not have died at Passover, but at Purim!!!!
Have a look at the Jewish calendar of feasts (consult the last month, number 13, Veadar): The Jewish Calendar Year Month English Months (Nearly) Festivals Seasons and Productions Sacred 1 Civil 7 Nisan/Abib 30 days April
1 New Moon 14 The Passover
15-21 Unleavened Bread
Spring Rains (Deut 11:14)
Floods (Josh 3:15)
Barley ripe2 8
1 New Moon
14 Second Passover (for those unable to keep the first)
Barley Harvest (Ruth 1:22)
No rain from April to Sept. (1 Sam 12:17)3 9
1 New Moon
6 Pentecost4 10
1 New Moon
17 Fast for the taking of Jereusalem
Heat increases5 11
1 New Moon
9 Fast for the destruction of Temple
The streams dry up
Vintage (Lev 26:5)6 12
29 daysSeptember 1 New Moon
Heat intense (2 Kings 4:19)
Grape Harvest (Num 13:23)7 1
1 New Year, Day of Blowing of Trumpet Day of Judgment and Memorial (Num 29:1)
10 Day of Atonement (Lev 16)
21 (Lev 23:24)
22 Solemn Assembly
Former or early rains begin (Joel 2:23)
Plowing and sowing begin8 2
29 daysNovember 1 New Moon
Wheat and barley sown9 3
1 New Moon
(John 10:22, 29)
Snow on mountains10 4
1 New Moon
10 Fast for the siege of Jerusalem
Hail and snow
(Josh 10:11)11 5
30 daysFebruary 1 New Moon Weather gradually warmer 12 6
1 New Moon
13 Fast of Esther
14-15 PurimThunder and hail frequent Almond tree blossoms 13 Leap Year
1 New Moon
13 Fast of Esther
14-15 PurimIntercalary Month
Note 1 The Jewish year is strictly lunar, being 12 lunations with an average 29-1/2 days making 354 days in the year.
The Jewish sacred year begins with the new moon of spring, which comes between our March 22 and April 25 in cycles of 19 years.
We can understand it best if we imagine our New YearÂ’s Day, which now comes on January 1 without regard to the moon, varying each year with Easter, the time
of the Passover, or the time of the full moon which, as a new moon, had introduced the New Year two weeks before.
Note 2 Hence the Jewish calendar contains a 13th month, Veadar or Adar Sheni, introduced 7 times in every 19 years, to render the average length of the year nearly correct and to keep the seasons in the proper months.
Note 3 The Jewish day begins at sunset of the previous day.
Purim is one of the most joyous and fun holidays on the Jewish calendar. It commemorates a time when the Jewish people living in Persia were saved from extermination.
The story of Purim is told in the Biblical book of Esther. The heroes of the story are Esther, a beautiful young Jewish woman living in Persia, and her cousin Mordecai, who raised her as if she were his daughter. Esther was taken to the house of Ahasuerus, King of Persia, to become part of his harem. King Ahasuerus loved Esther more than his other women and made Esther queen, but the king did not know that Esther was a Jew, because Mordecai told her not to reveal her nationality.
The villain of the story is Haman, an arrogant, egotistical advisor to the king. Haman hated Mordecai because Mordecai refused to bow down to Haman, so Haman plotted to destroy the Jewish people. In a speech that is all too familiar to Jews, Haman told the king, “There is a certain people scattered abroad and dispersed among the peoples in all the provinces of your realm. Their laws are different from those of every other people’s, and they do not observe the king’s laws; therefore it is not befitting the king to tolerate them.” Esther 3:8. The king gave the fate of the Jewish people to Haman, to do as he pleased to them. Haman planned to exterminate all of the Jews.
Mordecai persuaded Esther to speak to the king on behalf of the Jewish people. This was a dangerous thing for Esther to do, because anyone who came into the king’s presence without being summoned could be put to death, and she had not been summoned. Esther fasted for three days to prepare herself, then went into the king. He welcomed her. Later, she told him of Haman’s plot against her people. The Jewish people were saved, and Haman was hanged on the gallows that had been prepared for Mordecai.
The book of Esther is unusual in that it is the only book of the Bible that does not contain the name of God. In fact, it includes virtually no reference to God. Mordecai makes a vague reference to the fact that the Jews will be saved by someone else, if not by Esther, but that is the closest the book comes to mentioning God. Thus, one important message that can be gained from the story is that God often works in ways that are not apparent, in ways that appear to be chance, coincidence or ordinary good luck.
Purim is celebrated on the 14th day of Adar, which is usually in March. The 13th of Adar is the day that Haman chose for the extermination of the Jews, and the day that the Jews battled their enemies for their lives. On the day afterwards, the 14th, they celebrated their survival. In leap years, when there are two months of Adar, Purim is celebrated in the second month of Adar, so it is always one month before Passover. In cities that were walled in the time of Joshua, Purim is celebrated on the 15th of the month, because the book of Esther says that in Shushan (a walled city), deliverance from the massacre was not complete until the next day.
The word “Purim” means “lots” and refers to the lottery that Haman used to choose the date for the massacre.
The Purim holiday is preceded by a minor fast, the Fast of Esther, which commemorates Esther’s three days of fasting in preparation for her meeting with the king. 4. Message inconsistencies:
Unfortunately, in addition to the problems given by calendar reforms, there are inconsistencies in Samuels’ channelings, which make the establishing of dates even more difficult or problematic.
“Also in the gospels of Mark and Matthew, mention is made of my returning from Bethany to Jerusalem on Monday of the Passion Week. They state that, being hungry, I stopped at a fig-tree with leaves blossoming, but finding no fruit I cursed the tree, which, according to the gospel of Matthew, immediately withered. The truth of the matter is that I had just returned from LazarusÂ’ house where I had enjoyed a good breakfast, served to me by Martha and prepared by Mary, and that I was not hungry, but merely curious, because this being early April, it was not the time for fig-trees to give fruit, and seeing leaves on the tree, I expected to see figs. I wish to make it clear that I never cursed anything or anybody at any time, neither a fig tree nor Chorazin or Capernaum, the town on lake Gennasaret, for I came to save and not destroy. Furthermore, the tree did not begin to miraculously wither, and it was not Matthew who wrote those words, but another many years later who was interested in showing my divinity through the only way he could understand my Messiahship, supernatural powers rather than soul development”
So, here the Passion Week was in April.
“In the first place, it was not in April that I was arrested and put to death, as has been written so often, but it occurred in March, and there are some indications of this in the New Testament ...”
And here it is March again.
As I have shown above, Jesus died supposedly in the year 29. But in "Revelation 36: Joseph and Mary; the vicarious atonement; the misinterpretation regarding Gentiles" we read:
“I am here tonight to write about my father, Joseph, and you may be absolutely sure of its veracity. In the first place, there is proof in the New Testament to show that about nine months before the crucifixion my father was alive, and that is, during the year 29 (A.D.) I was preaching in Capernaum, and the Jews asked each other, “Is not he the son of Joseph and Mary whom we know?” — a quotation from the sixth chapter of John, line 42, which shows that they referred to my father as still living.”
If Jesus was killed in March 29, 9 month prior could never have been the year 29. I suppose this is a simple transciption error and should read “during the year 28.”The Real Jesus